I am talking here at the begining of ths post to everyone except
Alex and Peter, the reason being that I am going to talk *about*
them - excuse me for doing so guys, it is very rude of me but I just
go to say this out straight.

The rest of you.

Aren't you just about bursting with what you are seeing here? If
you've been into cellery for more than even a few weeks on this
group then the overview you have picked up reads something like this.

There was this guy called Joe and he did a crazy thing, he tried to
make a combustion engine run on steam, even crazier, he tried to do
it by putting charge accoss some water, and crazier still - it
worked!

Joe was hassled by all and sundry as to how he did it and in the end
he just stopped talking.

At some point in all this a guy called Alex Schiffer gets wind of
what is going on and after perhaps a short period of some level of
cooperation Alex was left on his own. Alex being a determined bugger
decides he is going to reproduce Joe's achievment whatever it takes
and after years, and years and YEARS! of painstaking effort, he does
it. It changes his life forever.

He realises immendiately that this is too important to be witheld
from the world and writes a manual. That manual has been the guiding
light in this group since its inception.

Over the years of the group gathers a lot more information about
refining cell production and operation and there are a few
replications.

But here is the biggy. The cells are not relaible. A perfectly built
cell sometimes will not even start. Sometimes it will start and then
fail. Sometimes it will start and work for a decent lenght of time
and then, for no known reason at all - it will fail. Problem.

Then the grind set in. What was needed was an understanding of the
way the cell works. If this understanding was good enough then it
might be possible to stabilise the cell. So the obvious thing is to
turn back to Joe.

There are these transcripts where Joe explains the cell - perhaps
these will deliver the all important breakthrough. But they don't.
There is a language problem. Joe appears to know what he is saying
but nobody can understand it. The reasons are that Joe speaks in a
non-linear way and this is made all the harder because he takes
terms we know like "postive" and then, by the way he uses them, it
is clear he means somethng different than the definitions we learned
at school. Hard going, but he just about closes the loop becuase he
doesn't go on to define any of them. We're stuck, it's like this
lattice of related ideas that you cannot break into.

OK, this persists for years. It gets to the point where the group
takes it that they will need divine intervention or something like
it to make the breakthrough to stable cells.

Then along comes this guy Peter. Not only did he know Joe at the
begining, he still bloody well does!

Large numbers in the group sense the are at some kind of turning
point. But they are a bit confused. According to Peter Joe is happy
to talk cellery, no problem - the secrecy is all imagined. That
contradicts what we think we know. But, on the ther hand it is
pretty obvious that some human ugliness *did* creep in, almost from
the start. In a different version of events than the one I relate in
above Peter explains that the cell's invention was a *cooperative*
effort - it was *not* Joe alone - he, Peter, was part of it! And he
tells about how some nastiness crept in. Joe ups and hides the cell
from Peter in case his Peter steals it! Peter wants an apology from
Joe and four years later he gets one. So on the one hand Peter says
Joe is ready to help anyone and on the othr he tells a story where
Joe turned on one of his mates. It doesn't stack.

Anyway, Peter sticks up a few posts on the group and what we see is
Alex pretty well take off. He asks Peter, is he going to put an end
to all the secret stuff we reckon we've seen? Is he going to play it
straight? Coz you can tell Alex has just about had a gut-full of all
the games.

So, Peter, who seems pretty well unaware of all this says, "yeah,
sure, why not?".

A-bloody-mazing!

I really doubted I would see this day.

So Peter, here's the thing. Do you know how Joe stabilised the cell?
Can you lay out a theory, even a partial one that will let us see
where the cell as we work to it n this group needs improvement and
allow us to make what this group calls a "stage 4 cell". Coz if you
can you have the whole group just waiting with their tongues out. If
you should happen to say you need a coil between the cell and the
engine and here's how and why..." you are going to please our friend
Kosol in a big way.

So, Alex and Peter, play on guys. The active members of this group
are watching and reading like they've never done before.

For my part I am off to get a bungy cord to tie round my head!

Best Regards

Adrian

Hi Adrian
  couldn't have put it simpler thankyou for your overview shorten the rope don't
want to see you fall for it
Cheers Peter

Adrian <amutimer@...> wrote:     I am talking here at the begining of
ths post to everyone except
  Alex and Peter, the reason being that I am going to talk *about*
  them - excuse me for doing so guys, it is very rude of me but I just
  go to say this out straight.

  The rest of you.

  Aren't you just about bursting with what you are seeing here? If
  you've been into cellery for more than even a few weeks on this
  group then the overview you have picked up reads something like this.

  There was this guy called Joe and he did a crazy thing, he tried to
  make a combustion engine run on steam, even crazier, he tried to do
  it by putting charge accoss some water, and crazier still - it
  worked!

  Joe was hassled by all and sundry as to how he did it and in the end
  he just stopped talking.

  At some point in all this a guy called Alex Schiffer gets wind of
  what is going on and after perhaps a short period of some level of
  cooperation Alex was left on his own. Alex being a determined bugger
  decides he is going to reproduce Joe's achievment whatever it takes
  and after years, and years and YEARS! of painstaking effort, he does
  it. It changes his life forever.

  He realises immendiately that this is too important to be witheld
  from the world and writes a manual. That manual has been the guiding
  light in this group since its inception.

  Over the years of the group gathers a lot more information about
  refining cell production and operation and there are a few
  replications.

  But here is the biggy. The cells are not relaible. A perfectly built
  cell sometimes will not even start. Sometimes it will start and then
  fail. Sometimes it will start and work for a decent lenght of time
  and then, for no known reason at all - it will fail. Problem.

  Then the grind set in. What was needed was an understanding of the
  way the cell works. If this understanding was good enough then it
  might be possible to stabilise the cell. So the obvious thing is to
  turn back to Joe.

  There are these transcripts where Joe explains the cell - perhaps
  these will deliver the all important breakthrough. But they don't.
  There is a language problem. Joe appears to know what he is saying
  but nobody can understand it. The reasons are that Joe speaks in a
  non-linear way and this is made all the harder because he takes
  terms we know like "postive" and then, by the way he uses them, it
  is clear he means somethng different than the definitions we learned
  at school. Hard going, but he just about closes the loop becuase he
  doesn't go on to define any of them. We're stuck, it's like this
  lattice of related ideas that you cannot break into.

  OK, this persists for years. It gets to the point where the group
  takes it that they will need divine intervention or something like
  it to make the breakthrough to stable cells.

  Then along comes this guy Peter. Not only did he know Joe at the
  begining, he still bloody well does!

  Large numbers in the group sense the are at some kind of turning
  point. But they are a bit confused. According to Peter Joe is happy
  to talk cellery, no problem - the secrecy is all imagined. That
  contradicts what we think we know. But, on the ther hand it is
  pretty obvious that some human ugliness *did* creep in, almost from
  the start. In a different version of events than the one I relate in
  above Peter explains that the cell's invention was a *cooperative*
  effort - it was *not* Joe alone - he, Peter, was part of it! And he
  tells about how some nastiness crept in. Joe ups and hides the cell
  from Peter in case his Peter steals it! Peter wants an apology from
  Joe and four years later he gets one. So on the one hand Peter says
  Joe is ready to help anyone and on the othr he tells a story where
  Joe turned on one of his mates. It doesn't stack.

  Anyway, Peter sticks up a few posts on the group and what we see is
  Alex pretty well take off. He asks Peter, is he going to put an end
  to all the secret stuff we reckon we've seen? Is he going to play it
  straight? Coz you can tell Alex has just about had a gut-full of all
  the games.

  So, Peter, who seems pretty well unaware of all this says, "yeah,
  sure, why not?".

  A-bloody-mazing!

  I really doubted I would see this day.

  So Peter, here's the thing. Do you know how Joe stabilised the cell?
  Can you lay out a theory, even a partial one that will let us see
  where the cell as we work to it n this group needs improvement and
  allow us to make what this group calls a "stage 4 cell". Coz if you
  can you have the whole group just waiting with their tongues out. If
  you should happen to say you need a coil between the cell and the
  engine and here's how and why..." you are going to please our friend
  Kosol in a big way.

  So, Alex and Peter, play on guys. The active members of this group
  are watching and reading like they've never done before.

  For my part I am off to get a bungy cord to tie round my head!

  Best Regards

  Adrian





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hi all
Look i have a life that can be classed as bloody amazing being a person that has
seen and played with this  to a successful outcome I don't know the science that
really explains it satisfactorily I only studied for two years trying to do
Engineering and learn the Jargon so I'm a failure as an engineer but have built
some new inventions this one as well
Following the steps we did

I can view a cell via photograph and look at gas production size of bubbles
clarity and can make recomendations it still not an exact science neither is it
witchcraft  Satements of fact  are it works
  look at the BNE website showing the diahatsu running I've had the pleasure of
being driven by Joe in the Escort and have the Leyland V8 motor stripped down
somewhere that was running seen many others cell in vehicles throughout
the country running  I've given of my time for free so where and what else can
we do
Joe hasn't got Money and I've spent more than enough
Whats needed is Money from a collective research foundation it would be nice or
even a Government Grant but the Paper work trail is brilliant and even when we
involved the Heavies from the dept.of defence in Melbourne showing them
everything letting them Film with the promise of a copy of the Tape Bloody
bullshit nothing happened except  later
Joe was harressed
It didn't happen to me and don't wish for it to happen now
all One individual can do is state the facts as they see it do a days work and
be a member of society or this group
Outcome maybe to clean up the petrol chemical pollution for our childrens
children children to enjoy the Planet as we have
This is my life's dream as my forefathers wished for me


Wave formula Spiral that Walter Russwell produced Back in 1926 shows the North
and south pole with both four positives and four Negatives with a nine wave
swirl showing the position of every element and Gas also where he believed
others would be found
I just happen to agree with him as their are twentysix elemnts and gases before
Hydrogen so how come he could see and we can't find them yet we could be using
them is where I'm at somewhere before Hydrogen also he states
Direction of an increasing  volume by expansion, by decreasing the negative
electric discharge , also expansion cools cold contracts

Simple my good Watson  direct and to the point said Holmes

cheers until tommorrow goodnight
Peter




Peter Stevens <ingventor@...> wrote:     Hi Adrian
   couldn't have put it simpler thankyou for your overview shorten the rope don't
want to see you fall for it
  Cheers Peter

  Adrian <amutimer@...> wrote:     I am talking here at the begining of
ths post to everyone except
   Alex and Peter, the reason being that I am going to talk *about*
   them - excuse me for doing so guys, it is very rude of me but I just
   go to say this out straight.

   The rest of you.

   Aren't you just about bursting with what you are seeing here? If
   you've been into cellery for more than even a few weeks on this
   group then the overview you have picked up reads something like this.

   There was this guy called Joe and he did a crazy thing, he tried to
   make a combustion engine run on steam, even crazier, he tried to do
   it by putting charge accoss some water, and crazier still - it
   worked!

   Joe was hassled by all and sundry as to how he did it and in the end
   he just stopped talking.

   At some point in all this a guy called Alex Schiffer gets wind of
   what is going on and after perhaps a short period of some level of
   cooperation Alex was left on his own. Alex being a determined bugger
   decides he is going to reproduce Joe's achievment whatever it takes
   and after years, and years and YEARS! of painstaking effort, he does
   it. It changes his life forever.

   He realises immendiately that this is too important to be witheld
   from the world and writes a manual. That manual has been the guiding
   light in this group since its inception.

   Over the years of the group gathers a lot more information about
   refining cell production and operation and there are a few
   replications.

   But here is the biggy. The cells are not relaible. A perfectly built
   cell sometimes will not even start. Sometimes it will start and then
   fail. Sometimes it will start and work for a decent lenght of time
   and then, for no known reason at all - it will fail. Problem.

   Then the grind set in. What was needed was an understanding of the
   way the cell works. If this understanding was good enough then it
   might be possible to stabilise the cell. So the obvious thing is to
   turn back to Joe.

   There are these transcripts where Joe explains the cell - perhaps
   these will deliver the all important breakthrough. But they don't.
   There is a language problem. Joe appears to know what he is saying
   but nobody can understand it. The reasons are that Joe speaks in a
   non-linear way and this is made all the harder because he takes
   terms we know like "postive" and then, by the way he uses them, it
   is clear he means somethng different than the definitions we learned
   at school. Hard going, but he just about closes the loop becuase he
   doesn't go on to define any of them. We're stuck, it's like this
   lattice of related ideas that you cannot break into.

   OK, this persists for years. It gets to the point where the group
   takes it that they will need divine intervention or something like
   it to make the breakthrough to stable cells.

   Then along comes this guy Peter. Not only did he know Joe at the
   begining, he still bloody well does!

   Large numbers in the group sense the are at some kind of turning
   point. But they are a bit confused. According to Peter Joe is happy
   to talk cellery, no problem - the secrecy is all imagined. That
   contradicts what we think we know. But, on the ther hand it is
   pretty obvious that some human ugliness *did* creep in, almost from
   the start. In a different version of events than the one I relate in
   above Peter explains that the cell's invention was a *cooperative*
   effort - it was *not* Joe alone - he, Peter, was part of it! And he
   tells about how some nastiness crept in. Joe ups and hides the cell
   from Peter in case his Peter steals it! Peter wants an apology from
   Joe and four years later he gets one. So on the one hand Peter says
   Joe is ready to help anyone and on the othr he tells a story where
   Joe turned on one of his mates. It doesn't stack.

   Anyway, Peter sticks up a few posts on the group and what we see is
   Alex pretty well take off. He asks Peter, is he going to put an end
   to all the secret stuff we reckon we've seen? Is he going to play it
   straight? Coz you can tell Alex has just about had a gut-full of all
   the games.

   So, Peter, who seems pretty well unaware of all this says, "yeah,
   sure, why not?".

   A-bloody-mazing!

   I really doubted I would see this day.

   So Peter, here's the thing. Do you know how Joe stabilised the cell?
   Can you lay out a theory, even a partial one that will let us see
   where the cell as we work to it n this group needs improvement and
   allow us to make what this group calls a "stage 4 cell". Coz if you
   can you have the whole group just waiting with their tongues out. If
   you should happen to say you need a coil between the cell and the
   engine and here's how and why..." you are going to please our friend
   Kosol in a big way.

   So, Alex and Peter, play on guys. The active members of this group
   are watching and reading like they've never done before.

   For my part I am off to get a bungy cord to tie round my head!

   Best Regards

   Adrian